Sarah
The following is an inordinately long post, posted out of order (Sarah! on a Friday!). Please forgive both aberrations. I wanted to write about this topic next/now, and I didn’t want it to get lost in this past Monday’s wild Columbus Day festivities. Things will be back to normal this coming Monday (when I will post a sort of second half to this post). At least, as normal as it gets around here.
Last March my father sent me an email in which he encouraged me to lose weight. “I do not write this lightly,” he said, essentially. “I have been praying about this, and I know that, though you are fit in your own way, even good men might be less attracted to you than they would otherwise be.” And then he asked this question: “Do you want to marry enough to become very trim?”
When I read the email, I cried. He wasn’t wrong, of course. I knew that, arguments about Being Who You Are and Beauty Coming From Within notwithstanding. Enough men have said to me, “You’re the coolest girl I know; I’m just not attracted to you” to know that he was probably right. And he certainly wasn’t being callous. He had never mentioned my weight to me before. Never said anything about my eating or exercise or lifestyle choices or anything. And, in his email too, he offered up his own weight loss resolve: he’d felt the heavens telling him too he needed to lose some weight. About 30 pounds. He’d decided to begin eating a restricted calorie diet and exercising. He suggested a website or two he’d found helpful.
I cried anyway. I hated that this could be true—that it was true. And I felt so embarrassed.
I decided to act in defiance. (Uncharacteristically, I might add. I’m both lazy and prideful enough that I really don’t act unless I believe in the cause I’m behind. Otherwise, why get off the couch? Spiting other people isn’t worth doing squat.)
I pitched an experiment to a fitness trainer friend: Let’s create a perfect Sarah-fitness plan, one that, if I stuck to it perfectly (but reasonably), would have me be at some ideal/target weight in some predefined length of time. Six months. Nine months. Twelve.
Then I’d do it. I’d exercise. I’d lift. I’d do cardio. I’d count calories and avoid dairy or do whatever the plan said and then, at the end of the experiment, I’d look the way I’d look, I’d be the way I’d be, and I’d know, Once and For All (hear the spite there?) whether the only thing standing between me and trimness was me—or whether everyone else was wrong, I was an exception, and I could live my life the way I had been. Which is to say, happy but overweight.
I didn’t stick to the plan. My summer was hard and full of efforts to accomplish some difficult professional goals. I counted calories for a couple of weeks. I lifted for a couple of weeks. I tried to do some cardio. And then, of course, towards the end of the summer, I ran a couple of times a week prepping for the half-marathon. These were all nods to the plan, but they were not the plan itself. Still, my fitness trainer friend hung with me, sending me occasional gchats of encouragement: “How are you doing, Sarah? How’s your eating going?”
Because that, it turned out to be, was the thing. The eating. More specifically, the not eating. The hunger.
My fitness trainer friend told me that she feels like clients need to spend only 30% of their energies focused on exercise, devoting the remaining 70% to eating well. “The thing about eating,” she would say, “is that you can do so much damage in one sitting. Damage you could almost never work off. So watch what you eat, and that’s more than half the battle.”
So, for the past six months, I have been almost continuously hungry.
This is my day. I wake up in the morning, eat some oatmeal at work, eat an apple, a plum, a carrot, some all-natural peanut butter. Just enough of anything to keep me not so hungry that I am driven from my desk to find real food. When it’s time for a meal—a real meal—I try to eat only enough so that I will feel not hungry for about 45 minutes. In fact, that is my goal: to eat little enough that in 30 minutes to an hour, I will feel hungry enough again to have to eat. (To this end, I eat a lot of salad. A lot. I love salad, with parmesan cheese and no dressing. All other food I try to eat in quarter-cup or half-cup increments, with lots of lettuce as filler. These days, pretty much all of my meals turn into salad.)
You might say—as have others I’ve talked to—that this isn’t the way it’s supposed to be. That we can eat to be full if we eat the right things. We can feel satisfied AND reach our weight loss goals. And maybe you are right. But that has not been my experience. When I try to eat to be full, everything gets out of whack. I am constantly chasing a moving target. I am using a guide to my eating—a sense of satisfaction—that has, clearly, spent years becoming misguided/misguiding.
I used to think that if I was good long enough, and ate properly for long enough, my sense of satisfaction would change. That it would shift to accommodate the new, proper, healthful amounts of food, so that I could feel satisfied most of the day AND still lose weight. I could have my cake and eat it too.
I no longer think/hope/require that this be true.
Because it turns out, in many, many ways I ask other people to live a little bit hungry. Don’t indulge yourself, I say. Don’t seek complete satisfaction. I say this to people who struggle with hungers for all kinds of things: illicit drugs, cigarettes, alcohol, coffee, anger, self-pity, pornography, and for a wide variety of sexual expressions that, because of both my faith and my life experience, I think we’re better off not indulging. Be a little bit hungry, I say. Or a lot hungry. And, if you have to, live your whole life that way. If the miracle of satisfaction you/I pray for doesn’t come in this life.
I’m sorry, I say, but it’s better this way. For you and for the rest of the world.
Sheri Dew once said (I think) that each of us will struggle in this life with at least one physical appetite. It turns out that one of my mine is my actual appetite.
So I wake up every day and I try to contemplate a lifetime of being a little bit hungry. Because it turns out—it turns out—that maybe my dad is right. I think he’s right. It is better this way, both for me and for the rest of the world.





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October 16, 2009 at 4:34 am
Adam Findley
I know for me, my “it’s time to be done” meter is very broken. For example, it’s 1am and I’m still up. It’s hard to realize that you can’t trust yourself to know when you’re actually done. It’s probably the most difficult challenge I face in my life everyday.
While I hate the idea of being hungry all the time, I think you’re right. I like to think of it as “waiting till Christmas”. By stopping earlier, I can enjoy the anticipation of next time as well as the satisfaction of having had that delectable morsel. Maybe it should be “waiting till Hanukkah” instead of Christmas, as the little gifts spread out over time.
October 16, 2009 at 8:23 am
Mehrsa
Wow. What a unique and incredibly honest post about weight loss and life. Way to debunk the lie that you can eat what you want or that weight loss doesn’t have to be difficult. I think it necessarily has to be–as with any change of appetite or change of character. Change is difficult. Always. Hunger is painful, but instructive. Good luck, Sarah.
October 16, 2009 at 8:33 am
Shandi
Keep up the good work Sarah! What an honest post! I loved it!
October 16, 2009 at 9:06 am
living in zion
Thank you for explaining how I , and I am sure, many other people feel.
The hard part for me is I work in the health care field, so I get my share of clients who look at me, questioningly, when I start launching into the speech about good eating habits, exercise, blah, blah, blah.
I just canceled the family membership at the gym. It cost us $49 a month for a membership and none us has been there in 5 months. Probably safe to let that one go. I t does hurt my self-esteem to again(!) admit defeat with that stupid gym. Around February I will convince myself that things will be different, we shall overcome our collective slugness and that the gym is exactly what we need. And I will renew our membership. Again.
Meanwhile, I just went to Barnes and Noble and bought a new cake book, along with a seperate trip to buy good baking pans because I decided that my winter goal is to learn how to bake decent cake goodies instead of settling for grocery store blandness.
All organic ingredients, of course. I have my standards, you know.
October 16, 2009 at 9:11 am
beckarecka
Having lost 30-40 lbs. 3 times over 20 years I can really identify with this. I used to identify it as hunger, when for me it was really about being sated. When my ego suffered trauma, it was my id that needed comfort. Nothing fulfilled that need like cocoa on the back of my tongue, or a sugar high to power through or helping #2.
This time it has been a double-whammy of unforeseeable personal trauma. I got a personal diagnosis and fall-out I didn’t want. In addition my baby girl was traumatized by a separate degenerative diagnosis. To say my id needs comfort is to say the ocean is water.
But, I am typing here with the 40 lbs. consequence of my behavior. I am working so hard on moderation, and I too have concluded that some day I may be strong enough to be sated while only satisfying my hunger. But right now? I’m definitely not.
Great post. You give me momentum.
October 16, 2009 at 9:22 am
Miranda
Sarah, you are amazing. I LOVE this post. Love, love, love it. Incredibly honest and just right to the point. I love the idea that we should be a little “hungry” in our lives, it’s okay to be left wanting a little bit more..especially when it comes to food. I am right where you are and even as I sat here eating a doughnut, I felt the truth of what you had written. Sister I feel your pain, thanks for sharing it.
October 16, 2009 at 9:41 am
Dad
I used to wonder what it would be like to have an author in the family making the private public. Now I know. Thank you for checking with me first. You really are great!
October 16, 2009 at 10:17 am
alexandra
Sarah, amazing post. Your dad must really love you so much to be able to write such hard advice. And you him, to hear it so well. Most of all, of course, I love the tie in to the general universe of want and appetite, and that each of us has our own. A great lesson in being humble, recognizing one’s inner appetite and resolving to live in whatever wilderness forgoing those cravings (self-pity, even! how insightful.) leaves us, and the beautiful places our learned temperance will later lead us.
October 16, 2009 at 10:20 am
Kate
Wonderful post.
Neil’s dad told him a few months before we met that he needed to “upgrade his look” in order to meet a mate. This was said in all earnestness & was born out of genuine concern. It came from an Idaho farmer who tucks his t-shirts into his belted jeans with bright white sneakers and an ill-fitting baseball cap.
Neil did not heed his advice.
When we met, I thought his bright plaid shirts with contrasting paisley ties were fantastic… especially since I was in a decorative-patchwork-apron phase at the time.
My best friend’s grandmother says something I have found to be true, “what’s for ya won’t go by ya.”
October 16, 2009 at 10:36 am
Jenna
I completely and totally relate to this.
October 16, 2009 at 10:41 am
Megan
Sarah, I am so glad you got a post in this week! I was missing you on Monday!
WoW!! I love the fact that your dad could be so lovingly honest with you. And that you could be so gracious and willing to look at yourself honestly, instead of being bitter.
It is hard for me to hear from others that the hunger doesn’t go away. I myself have about 30 lbs. to lose. I am inspired by you and other people that I know that are losing/have lost weight. Thank you for sharing yourself!
October 16, 2009 at 10:49 am
Louise Plummer
Sarah, it’s been a year and a half since I realized that diet has to be lifelong or it all comes back on. When I got back from New York, I lost 40 lbs. I kept that off a year, and now I’m going for the next 20. I am always hungry, but on the other hand, I am looking good and feeliing good about that.
For long years, I didn’t have to worry about what I ate. That time is past. A little hunger comes with a lot of satisfaction. And I exercise and lift free weights. I can hardly believe I do this, but I do.
I throw you caloric kisses. Don’t eat them. Just allow them to touch your lips!
October 16, 2009 at 11:11 am
Laura
Miss Sarah L Olson:
You are the coolest girl I know and I’ve always been attracted to you. Ever since I asked, “Sarah, how are you doing?” and you picked up an expo dry erase to illustrate your answer. It involved cars with square wheels.
Needless to say, I think you’re a babe.
Laura Paulsen Howe
October 16, 2009 at 11:51 am
nakiru
Oh Sarah.
Perhaps as a part of my own contentment journey, I have strongly decided that any weight loss (battle that it is) has to be for me, not at all in the hopes that someone will love me if I just lose 5 pounds. (I am not undermining your Dad’s loving entreaty to you, I am just stating.) I do this because I am terrified of being that person who comes to the conclusion that God has cheated me because I have in fact, lost 10 pounds and I am still unmarried while my little sister who eats pizza and ice cream and is just naturally skinny has a husband and an adorably chubby baby boy.
I will instead just solidly stand behind Kate’s grandmother’s wise words. Sarah, what’s for ya, won’t go by ya. Period. But I will also stand solidly behind Louise’s statement that with a little hunger comes a lot of satisfaction. There is a joy in fitting into my college jeans. There is a joy in running a whole mile before falling over panting. There is a joy in being the best me, even if the only person appreciating it is me.
As I said, I am not trying to undermine your dad in any way (hey Sarah’s dad!) because I firmly believe that without our fathers, we would never be the strong confident women we are. At all. But I would caution your heart not to equate weight loss with a bargain with God, as I know in my heart of hearts I tend to do. “See God, I lost that weight! Where’s my wedding dress and tiny apartment crowded with love?”
That said (I should have warned you, I have a lot to say about this) I fully support this post. It really spoke to my heart. My still size 14 even after weight loss heart. My aching to be the size 10 I was when I was twelve heart. Thank you.
A taste of my own journey is here:
http://nakiru.wordpress.com/2009/04/04/she-aint-heavy-shes-my-sister/
October 16, 2009 at 11:53 am
tiffanyelewis
Sarah, this is great. I quote Michael Pollam’s manifesto to myself (and the rest of the family) daily: “Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.”
You are lovely. I will think of you when I eat my salad.
October 16, 2009 at 11:57 am
sarahlolson
Adam, not being able to trust yourself is sucky. It’s hard. Especially when I’m trying (I think?) to be a good person. I love the “little gifts spread out over time” notion. This is exactly how I think of my day. One (almost) continuous stream of little gifts. First gift today: pineapple. Awesome.
Mehrsa, your graciousness/grace comes through even in your small comments. I love it. And I want to point out that it’s possible that for other people, they can achieve their goals without being hungry. Maybe that’s possible for me too. But (a) it hasn’t been true so far, and (b) I’m trying to get used to/comfortable with the idea that it doesn’t have to be that way. That I can still move forward in the face of hunger. Because then every moment I’m not hungry is a blessing. With no sense of entitlement, everything is a blessing.
Shandi, thank you. I’m going to try to keep up the good work. One appetite at a time…
living in zion, I think you’re totally right. There are times and seasons and life is cyclical. And there’s something about that that I need to learn not to be thrown by. Or dissuaded by. Maybe I need to view life as an upward spiral. As long as I’m going in circles, I might as well be circling up towards heaven?
beckarecka, “To say my id needs comfort is to say the ocean is water.” I love this. And I even thought this morning about how I could use it as a book title some day. “To Say the Ocean Is Water.” Something? I think it’s lovely.
Miranda, I love that you were eating a doughnut as you read my post. That delights me no end. And we can laugh about it again–and talk about the meanness/scariness of a lifetime of hunger–as we brunch on Saturday. Don’t hold this post against me if I order the flourless chocolate waffles AND the lemon meringue pie with the marshmallow topping. I promise I’ll share…
Dad, I love you. Unreservedly. Thank you for letting me share this. And thank you for always being so thoughtful/prayerful about your interactions with me. I will (continue to) try to be so with you.
alexandra, “the beautiful places our learned temperance will later lead us.” Wow. Yes. To be frank, I hadn’t even thought about this post in connection with temperance, but you’re right. Wrangling hunger is an exercise in temperance. And it can lead us to beautiful places. Already I’ve begun to see how maybe someday I could begin to talk about my hunger lesson as a thing of the past (either because I’ve mastered it–fat chance–or because I left it behind), and that makes me sad. I am cherishing my little lesson in hunger/self-mastery. I am reluctant to see it go.
Kate, how cute is your best friend’s grandmother. Very grandmotherly. And–I may be overreading into your comment–I’m going to say this: I agree. There is something hugely problematic about losing weight to win a man. Right? Multiple problematic things with that. But there is something to not being able to live a life with unbridled exercise of passions/appetites. And maybe learning to rein those in as part of our efforts to make ourselves accessible to/easier to be loved by other people is okay. Right? Something? In any case, it’s good to learn to be hungry. For other reasons. Something?
Jenna, hooray! Hooray. That is exactly what I wanted. And was hoping for.
Megan, your path can be your path. For sure, for sure. But if you are, like I am/have been, TERRIFIED about the idea of not being sated, especially over time, then maybe this is a lesson that can be learned. It’s not like we’re actually going to starve. Why am I SCARED about not being full? I don’t know. Tricky questions. Let me know if you have answers.
Louise, “A little hunger comes with a lot of satisfaction.” Amen. Unfortunately, not with a snickers bar. But let me say this: I love that you’ve been able to keep off your weight. That is, of course, the part I worry about. But I’m not going to worry about it, I’ve decided. I’m going to focus on hunger-wrangling and move in a good direction. Yes? Because, let’s be honest, I still have child bearing ahead of me. And all bets about what that will do to my body are off.
Laura Paulsen Howe, I thought you were a rockstar/goddess since the first time I met you. I can’t believe I used a whiteboard in our first interaction. I’m both a little bit embarrassed and totally delighted. (I do love whiteboards. I was just telling someone yesterday–I’m a board believer.) Thank you for surfacing into my life again. I have long wanted to be like you. (Remember when you lost your engagement ring because you had folded your clothes before getting into the shower, and you found it later in your laundry basket? I think about that every couple of weeks when I’m picking my clothes off the bathroom floor post-shower. Someday I’ll be more like Laura, I think. And then I get dressed.) Hope and change. I’m for.
Nakiru, yes, yes, yes. See my comment to Kate above. And I think your concerns are exactly why I focused my post on the hunger rather than on my dad’s question (“Do you want to be married enough to be very trim?” or whatever). Because what I’ve been learning ISN’T about marriage or men or anything. It’s about me and my dependencies and weaknesses and what I think is possible with my body. Turns out, I can do hard things. For no reason other than that they are good to do. Self-discipline is a good thing to learn. Learning to tame our cravings is a good thing to do. Totally and 100% apart from the question of men/boys/romance/external validation. I love your comments and your constant attention to the layers of things. We’re friends, Nakiru. Straight up. No doubt.
October 16, 2009 at 12:03 pm
sarahlolson
Tiffany, Michael Pollam has it right on. I love salad. It’s like free food. (No dressing, though. No dressing! So much better without dressing. Forces me to find produce/toppings actually worth eating. Lettuce, tomatoes, mangos, bananas, watermelon, beets, shredded parmesan cheese that actually taste good.)
Let’s eat salad together sometime. We could make a rockin’ salad. I believe that.
October 16, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Jed
“What else does this craving, and this helplessness, proclaim but that there was once in man a true happiness, of which all that now remains is the empty print and trace? This he tries in vain to fill with everything around him, seeking in things that are not there the help he cannot find in those that are, though none can help, since this infinite abyss can be filled only with an infinite and immutable object; in other words by God himself.” Pascal
This also reminds me of the power of honesty. Nothing touches me more deeply than another human being choosing to share the truth. It can’t be faked, and when it is sincere and especially difficult to share, it moves me to change my own life like no amount of advice or berating or cajoling or denunciation or encouragement ever could. What a gift! Thanks
October 16, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Ben
I’ve come to believe that the most we can hope for is to be slightly more than half content with our lives, at any given moment. This isn’t nearly as pessimistic as it sounds. Here’s what I mean:
We can have ALL of what we want, ALL of the time. At least I can’t. Some desires/needs/things-for-which-to-yearn, regardless of their inherent value, are by their very nature exclusive of one another.
Indulging in your favorite eats and losing weight. Reading a magnificent book into the wee hours of the morning and feeling sufficiently rested the next day. Learning Klingon and having a girlfriend. These are the sorts of things I’m talking about.
I’m reminded of the ol’ farmer river crossing riddle. (you may remember this from your 5th grade Big Book o’ Brain Teasers)
A farmer has to get his chicken, his fox, and a bag of grain across a river, but only has enough room in the boat for himself and one other item.
(suspend disbelief for a moment; if you’re like me, you’re already asking some big questions, not the least of which being why in the world a farmer has a pet fox)
Now, said agriculturalist has to use his noodle. He can’t leave the chicken with the grain, since the latter will be scarfed down. The same goes for the fox and the chicken. Unless the farmer is willing to give certain things up at certain times, he’ll be unable to do what he needs to do.
(If you’ve never had to grapple with this problem, I leave you now in rapt bafflement and wish you the best of luck as you seek the solution.)
So, let me make all this silliness palatable. I think that in one way or another, we will always be “hungry.” The challenge, then, is choosing which appetites to resist. Maybe satisfying one kind of hunger (in this case, for a more fit self) is worth the pangs of deprivation.
Finally, let me commend you, dear attractive Sarah, for both your efforts and your willingness to share your insight with all of us. This is something I read last night, and it makes me think of you.
“When meeting calamities or difficult situations, it is not enough to simply say that one is not at all flustered. When meeting difficult situations, one should dash forward bravely and with joy. It is the crossing of a single barrier and is like the saying, ‘The more water, the higher the boat.’”
-Yamamoto Tsunetomo, from Hagakure
October 16, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Ben
*We can’t have ALL of what we want, ALL of the time
October 16, 2009 at 12:48 pm
amy
Sarah Olson,
My great-grandmother is the lady whose wisdom has been immortalized here. She was fabulous.
I have some thoughts about this topic (too many to write here, and too personal) that I would be happy to share with you. I have read too many books on this topic to count, but the two which strike me most as being true, and thus the two I would most recommend, are Joel Fuhrman’s Eat to Live and Geneen Roth’s When Food is Love. Their themes at times seem diametrically opposed and yet, as I think about them more deeply, they may be reconcilable after all.
If you ever want to talk about this topic with me (invitation not an obligation!) my email is amyfpeterson at gmail dot com.
October 16, 2009 at 12:54 pm
smylies
Sarah, I love you. I love your dad. I love that he wondered what it would be like to have an author exposing family secrets.
While I think nakiru and kate are right–don’t lose the weight so you can get a man–I also think your dad posed a wonderful question: what are you willing to do in exchange for the things you want most in this life?
I’ve been thinking about that for myself lately and invariably, the answer has been: purify. Nothing like a little hungry to make me feel cleaned out.
October 16, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Elizabeth
Sarah,
Though I’m a regular reader of this great blog, never felt compelled to post until reading your piece this morning. What a touching, thoughtful exploration. I’m sure many readers are resonating with the struggles you have brought up, and I applaud your candor.
One thought: I, too, have thought a lot (too much) about my perceptions and expectations of my body — how they both indicate and shape my concept of femininity, of beauty, of worth. No doubt we’ve all either experienced or watched loved ones overfeed and underfeed themselves, in anguish. It doesn’t make too much sense.
At the same time, I hope that perma-hunger, though a worthy analogy, isn’t the only option. I believe there’s a kind of “zen” place in which we’ve brought our appetites to a healthy angle of repose. The same scriptures that teach us to school our feelings also entice us to come buy milk and honey (a terrific Haagen Dazs flavor, btw) without money and without price — to feast!
I’ve found that during those fleeting periods when I am in great physical shape, my cravings actually change — they are healthier, so I can satisfy them entirely — and it’s good for me. Amazing
For me, exercise is the key to that — and eating less sugar.
Congratulations and good luck to you on your progress. I am so impressed!
October 16, 2009 at 1:01 pm
corktree
Sarah,
First, I want to say that I think you are gorgeous and full of light! In the pictures from the half-marathon you looked beautiful and strong and any man worth having will see that no matter what the number on the scale says.
Second, I do think that your goals are admirable and I love your way of attacking and figuring out how to live with this issue that affects so many. It’s true that for many of us, it will just never be easy to look the way we want and that there can be joy, even in this particular journey. But I also think it is a slippery slope to getting your worth tied up in how you look from day to day….which will always be changing! And yes, while there are those who keep their figure through the ups and downs of marriage and children, there are many for whom it becomes even MORE difficult.
With each of my pregnancies I gain the maximum amount and then go on to gain even more by breastfeeding (the opposite of what they tell you). I have never been able to control this but between each child I struggle and fight to get my weight back down to normal. I eventually do, only to get pregnant and have it go right back up again. And it takes longer each time. I don’t have any illusions that when I’m older and get my weight down that it will just stay put.
So, basically, you do have a lifetime ahead of you of being aware of this, and maybe that’s how it’s supposed to be. I’m sure you know that, but I think the goal is for it to NOT always seem like a battle, at least for me. I know I don’t want to feel like I’m fighting my body for the rest of my life.
And the wonderful man that will ask you to marry him will be just as amazing as you are and will know that life will have ups and downs and that you will both change and grow together and that your weight does not define you. There ARE men out there like that.
Lastly, I am very much in the same boat as far as appetite control issues. If there is dinner to be finished off, watch out! So I have learned that for me, the particular battle in this war is exercise centered. I eat to feel satisfied with healthy but delicious food (I just can’t kill the foodie in me) and then I work my butt off to burn it all. It works for me (eventually), and although it may not work for you and you may need this “journey of hunger”, just know that there may be other ways to fight these battles and win, whether we are conquering our bodies OR our minds.
Sending supportive and positive thoughts your way…you’re awesome!
October 16, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Elise
Exercise was never the answer for me. I could somehow always manage to eat enough to offset the calories I had burned off. I remember running 4 miles a day and never losing a pound. Not to say exercise isn’t great but it really does come down to what I put in my body. Food became a real addiction, bringing me so much unhappiness. Beckarecka’s comment “To say my id needs comfort is to say the ocean is water” is true for all of us. Don’t we all need comfort but sometimes look for it in the wrong places. I found that my attempts to comfort myself with food were vastly unsuccessful, (oh sure, it felt good at the moment but very bad later) and that what I was doing was substituting food for other more beneficial sources of comfort i.e. God, friends, etc. (and maybe even a little stress reducing exercise). Self discipline is one of the hardest tasks I face. But my everyday choices determine what my life will become. Thanks for your honesty and insights. This is a challenge that many of us face on a daily basis.
October 16, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Kim Gardner
Sarah, I think this was an incredibly brave and awesome post. And a-freakin-men. I don’t know if this is in your follow up post, but I wonder what you think about dating/men at this point. I lost like maybe 40 lbs over 18 months with kind of the same goal in mind. I do feel SO SO much better in so many ways now, but my dating life has gone up 0.0%. I think maybe it’s cause I’m still a fat kid at heart and in attitude but now in a comfortably overweight body…. and that ain’t the hottest vibe in the world. Anyway, I’d love to hear your thoughts on that. And I really admire you and this post.
October 16, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Kate
I love your points on learning to tolerate hunger… not sure if this is a selling point or not, but “Eat to Live” talks a lot about “true hunger.” Something I am quite sure I have never experienced.
My intended point was that I am quite sure that whatever delightful man there is in store for you will not go by you.
Easy for me to say, though, I know. I’ve got a man & skinny genes.
I TRULY truly love the greater implications your story has about totally unsolicited advice. I am SO fascinated with this. I wish more people would be more frank all of the time. Even if the advice is, “upgrade your look!”
October 16, 2009 at 1:18 pm
corktree
Sorry I focused on the whole men/marriage thing, but I really do think you are beautiful the way you currently are. I wholeheartedly agree that this journey should be all about you and what you can take away from it, which you obviously understand. There can be such power in overcoming our weaknesses, especially physical ones that can feel so huge to both bodies and souls.
October 16, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Shara
This is a great post, and one I relate to well. I think you’re dad hit it right on when he said “Do you want to marry enough to become very trim?”. I took that to mean, ‘what are you willing to do and work at to achieve your dreams’.
It reminds me of my 18 year-old-self vs. 25-year-old-self:
18: Overweight (not hugely overweight, but enough), no clothing style, shaggy hair, shy, no confidence, hurt by others too easily.
25: Lost 20 lbs, learned how to use a straightener, learned to dress to fit my body type, outgoing, confident, laughed a lot.
There was a lot to this transformation, much more than learning how to look better, lose weight etc. One of the things that really motivated me was the idea that if I wanted to gain everything I wanted (i.e. husband, children, house, etc . . .) I need to risk everything, and try my hardest to enhance who I was (not change, but make better and enhance).
I did risk a lot and at 25 got my start (met the guy I would marry almost 2 years later). I’m not saying it took losing 20lbs. But losing that weight contributed to a much more happy self, one that he wanted to be around.
Keep it up Sarah! I agree that concurring our appetites (learning self-control) will lead to better things in more ways than just physical appearances.
October 16, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Meredith
I think every person can relate to this post in some way. I especially appreciate how you compare healthy eating to abstaining from other addictive things. I’ve made the same comparison often. I actually had the opposite food issue for a couple years and became painfully thin. I saw a psychologist for help, and she suggested something that I think about all the time (she was LDS): “You are a good person. The adversary knows he cannot get you to stop going to church, or be immoral, etc. But he knows that you are self-conscious about your body, and he has figured out how to get you to destroy it. A body is something he can never have, and he wants you to hate yours.” For me, that was huge. It was the beginning of major positive change for me, and now I have beautiful children to show for it. I will never let him win.
October 16, 2009 at 2:18 pm
jes
my first jerk reaction was “gasp! no! what folly! to lose weight for a man… or the prospect of a man.” (this being the same reaction i had when an apostle told me it wouldn’t hurt to wear a little lipstick, to try a little.) but now that the adolescent-confused-feminist is taking a nap, i see how right you are. how right that all of us have something in our life that takes battling and humbling and confusing and girding-up-loining.
and how right, on the flip side, that all of us have something astounding about us. like the first moment i met you sarah and felt completely swept up in your presence. you are a woman with presence. which is something i think i will never have: i will always tremble in large groups of people. i will always feel hungry to act like myself in social situations.
in the meantime, during this celebration of our humanity, our folly and our peripheral greatness, let me bring some potluck salad. i have some excellent recipes for chicken nectarine and beet walnut…
October 16, 2009 at 2:26 pm
AmyinElko
Sarah,
I love that your Dad would pray so hard for the wisdom to advise you, even when unasked. I’m sure that the wording he used was inspired to reach you specifically and it inspires me to be more prayerful regarding those in my charge.
As a side note, I’ve read that overweight people are actually hungrier. This is why losing weight is so hard–the hunger is biggest at first. When I lost 25 lbs on my mission I found that my hunger had changed when I came home. And not because the food was any different, I’d served state-side. Most of the weight came off the first trying month in the field when I almost ripped a banana out of another sister’s hands because it smelled overpoweringly good. But I controlled myself, walked away, and bought bananas the very next grocery shopping trip (6 days later). I wonder if she noticed the small jerk forward, the animalistic look in my face, the abrupt about face and march away?….
Love,
Amy in Elko
October 16, 2009 at 2:37 pm
amy
Who was I kidding with that paltry comment?
As the comments mount on this, perhaps the most sensitive of topics on the women’s [apron?] stage, I find myself roiling with ideas.
I mentioned the book Eat to Live, which Kate also mentioned (I think I recommended it to her–it’s one of my favorite books to recommend), because it was the first book I had ever read about diet that TRULY focused on any consequence to what one put in one’s mouth other than the way it would make one look. It was a book about health, longevity, disease prevention. Waist circumference, as a beauty standard, was mentioned peripherally. I read the book in May, changed my diet dramatically, and lost somewhere in the neighborhood of twenty five pounds.
When I went home for Thanksgiving six months later it was the last time my whole family would celebrate the holiday together. My mother moved out the following July, and divorce papers are in the works. We all knew it. I gained seventeen pounds in three weeks.
Without those peanut butter cookies, who knows what might have happened. I’m thankful for them.
Since that time I have ricocheted between guilt, telling myself I would die an early death of heart disease or cancer if I didn’t day goodbye to cheese once and for all, and rage, convinced that a world where men stand as judges, juries, and executioners of women’s bodies was not a world in which I cared to live. Correspondingly, I gained and lost the same twenty pounds several times–I have lost track of how many.
On one hand, I think Naomi Wolf has a point in her carefully researched and crafted 1990’s masterpiece, The Beauty Myth. Beauty exists only in our collective cultural consciousness and conscience, and is used as the ultimate weapon against women as well as the men who could otherwise love them. I feel a feminist obligation to give the whole operation a well-thumbed nose.
On the other hand, I relate to the deep desire to be bridled, temperate, Calvinist. I believe that David A. Bednar has a point when he says that the test of this life is whether our bodies will rule our spirits or the other way around (paraphrase). I don’t like the feeling of using food for purposes for which it was not intended–to slake feelings of deprivation, boredom, loneliness, and pain. Geneen Roth makes a fascinating case for the generally-unheard-of notion that our bodies are not set to sabotage, and if we eat what we like when we are hungry and stop when we are full we will gain self confidence and likely arrive at a body size that feels good. Imagine that.
I love Kate’s example from her own life. She and her husband are a delightful pair who love each other as human beings. What was for him didn’t go by him, exactly as he wonderful was. Unfortunately, many of us do not find ourselves cherished so unconditionally, despite the plain gospel fact that we all deserve to. I am of the school that anyone who wouldn’t want you as you are today isn’t worth your further consideration, let alone your perennial hunger.
That said, I’m for excellence, mastery and the indomitable human spirit. I have become a fabulous vegan chef, if I do say so myself, since reading Eat to Live, and I enjoy the feeling of pushing myself toward expansion of myself (even if this may ultimately, admittedly regrettably, mean a contraction of my physical person).
I wonder what it would mean for us women if there was no chance of Finding A Man anyway. Or if it were a guarantee. Or if it were unrelated to our physical beings. How would we eat? What would we do with our bodies? What would we say about them?
As you can see, I am deep in this one, and not soon to emerge. I cannot tell you the hours I have spent pondering and, even, agonizing, no matter how unproductively. I wish you well in your journey. And, again, I’m always happy to discuss this further if you care to.
October 16, 2009 at 2:42 pm
kt
One day I was on the phone with my brother while he was in college and I asked him about dating.
Not great.
‘What about the girls in your program?’ I asked.
He groaned and didn’t want to talk about it – apparently one of his close girlfriends got mad at him in a similar conversation earlier in the week.
I pushed and prodded and finally he tried to explain.
‘They aren’t interested in us.’ He said, ‘They are way more focused on school and their careers.’
‘What do you mean?’ I asked. ‘Why do you say that?’
‘Well, for example, every day of the week they come in without their hair done, in casual clothes, with obviously no effort.’
– I interjected here to point out that they were in COLLEGE and that that is extremely normal and that they shouldn’t take it personally. —
‘No,’ he said, ‘you’re wrong. Because on Fridays we have a guest lecturer and then they get all dressed up. They look so great. Their hair is done, they shower, they are really attractive. But not on other days of the week – not for us. We don’t matter.’
While I think my brother was perhaps mis-interpreting things (I had often chosen to sleep in and look less lovely while I was in college – it never entered my mind that some person might be ’slighted’ – I mean, really??? I was just so tired!), it was a revelation to me how much our physical appearance can communicate to others – and not just in a superficial way.
I mean in a sense he was right. If you look at the cold hard facts, clearly sleeping was more important to me in that moment of decision than any person I might meet that day. But then again, was it really? Did I weigh the decision as such? I think not. I think we sometimes isolate our decisions when really they are interconnected in ways we can’t (but often can!) imagine. I think of it not so much as bargaining with God so much as considering the true nature of daily decisions. Since this conversation with my brother I have come to the conclusion that how I groom myself on a daily basis is a divine thing. It’s a matter of respect for self, respect for others, and respect for God. I still have a day here and there where I am slothful, but I try to take the time each day to demonstrate that the people I meet were worth doing my hair for.
October 16, 2009 at 2:47 pm
AmyinElko
Sarah,
Another thought: After my mission it was so fun to be skinny. My skinny knee would lift so effortlessly on mountain climbs that it startled and delighted me each time it lifted into view. (How silly). When the weight crept back on as life got increasingly stressful, I got so obsessed with weight and appearance that I deeply offended another woman. It jerked me awake. It happened like this: I was visiting with this mother of three, a woman who oozes charity, kindness, self-discipline, the spirit, and beauty. It just feels good to be near her. While visiting she shared that she used to teach aerobics at a gym before having her children. I didn’t say anything, but, unbidden, my eyes slid to her rounded belly and a thought went through my head that must have shone on my face. The thought was, ‘No way! How?….’ I’m ashamed to even write it. She pulled back and I knew that I had just deeply offended a choice choice daughter of God and there was no way to take it back. I later learned that all of her pregnancies are very difficult, leaving her with lingering physical problems. How do you apologize for something never said? Speaking of it brings a sharper reality to already sharp thoughts. But I realized that in my quest for physical fitness, I’d become too obsessed with the outer appearance. I had trained myself, inadvertently, to judge others. What a struggle, to take care of our bodies, but not notice or judge others’ bodies.
October 16, 2009 at 2:49 pm
kt
p.s. I know I can’t control what is communicated to everyone (b/c everyone interprets things differently), but I guess the main point I want to make is that I think that God wants us to love and tend to our souls – which I take to be BOTH spirit and body. That other forces would have us pit them against each other. Spirit > Body or Body > Spirit. We see both extremes everywhere. ‘Why should I change for anyone? They should take me as I am.’ ‘If only I could lose x pounds or look like jane, then I would be happy.’ Neither is one without the other. Just as I should strive to be kind to others and not live selfishly, I should strive to be physically appealing to others.
October 16, 2009 at 3:06 pm
corktree
Can I just say that I love that Sarah gave everyone the ability to have this discussion in just the right way? I feel so at home here with the way that you all think and live and share your thoughts and I am so grateful to have a place to feel validated by my sometimes wacky opinions. I love the different perspectives from outside conversations (Meredith and kt) and Amy, I loved your comment. To stabilize my weight in high school I read “Fit for Life” and it completely changed the way that I thought about food. I went on to be a vegan and food-combiner for many years before moderating myself a bit (I got to the point where I was only eating fruit – crazy), but it taught me so much about the true nature of food and our relationship to it and what it can mean to be healthy. I haven’t always been perfect and I don’t recommend extremes (which I am prone to), but there is so much information out there to find exactly what works for each individual (which can be a very wide range).
October 16, 2009 at 3:08 pm
mikelle
Beautiful post.
Recently, my husband inspired me to start losing some weight. After a few attentive days, I was grousing to him about how I still felt hungry with my reduced caloric intake. He replied, “I’ve been trying to tell myself that it’s okay to be a little hungry.” It’s a simple concept, but it completely changed my attitude and mindset, and as a result this post immediately resonated with me. Thank you for your honesty and further insight. I’m with Jed — honesty like this speaks right to me and is simultaneously fulfilling and inspiring. (Also, the quote by Pascal in this context gives me new appreciation for Christ as the Bread of Life and Living Water.)
And Sarah, I LOVE this: “With no sense of entitlement, everything is a blessing.” So, so true! And again, in this context, a revelation to me.
Looking forward to Monday’s post.
October 16, 2009 at 3:39 pm
lisapiorczynski
There are so many great nuggets of wisdom both in Sarah’s writing and the comments. Ex:
“I think of it not so much as bargaining with God so much as considering the true nature of daily decisions.”
“With no sense of entitlement, everything is a blessing.”
“[Truth] can’t be faked, and when it is sincere and especially difficult to share, it moves me to change my own life like no amount of advice or berating or cajoling or denunciation or encouragement ever could.”
Great discussion happening here. Sarah, you are rocktastic. I want to say more. But I need to run. I’ll come back again when I can give you a thoughtful comment. Love you all, Apron Stagers.
October 16, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Carla
this post was so perfect as i sit eating my carrot & pretzel afternoon snack… while barely keeping hunger away from my simple lunch of greens. i have trained and ran 2 half marathons this year, and in total lost 2 pounds over 8 months. of course i feel better and healthier, but my pants were still fitting about the same and i still am not ecstatic about how my body looks. i realized it probably had a lot more to do with my eating than my excercising, and things have shifted drastically since September. i made a goal to eat better, and it’s been a daily battle, but i’m at least putting up a good fight. i haven’t gotten on a scale since August because that isn’t the end goal, but i did buy a pair of pants yesterday, and i was surprised about the smaller size i was able to fit in (albeit tight… i could button up!) and i believe that we forget how wonderful it is to have love surrounding us, honesty and all. the honesty from your dad is one of the purist forms of love. so beautiful.
October 16, 2009 at 5:02 pm
kaedi
Seriously, Lisa! I’m cutting and pasting right and left. One quote for the bathroom mirror, another for the fridge… and so it goes. Thanks for peppering my home with inspirational thoughts Apron Stagers!
October 16, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Carole
Sarah, I’m not sure if you remember me from back then or not, but we had several mutual friends when we were both living in Provo. I only mention it because, when I came across your blog years later and saw the picture of you, I thought to myself, “Sarah Olson has lost weight. She looks really good.” That’s meant as a compliment to encourage you, not to discourage you from continuing with your goals.
It feels good to improve and to accomplish things and be healthy. I like the phrase from 1st or 2nd Timothy “Neglect not the gift that is in thee.” Taking it completely out of context, I like to think of it as being about being the person that God designed me to be, and physical health has everything to do with that.
Also, while acknowledging the comments about how you shouldn’t have to lose weight to get a man, I’m also going to say this: It feels good to be able to identify a specific thing that might be standing between us and the relationships we want to have – especially when that one thing is something we can change. It’s empowering.
A lot of my girlfriends are very sweet and they mean well when they tell me that the only reason I’m still single is that all the men I’ve ever met are just too blind to see what an amazing person I am. The thing is, there is absolutely nothing I can do to make the male population less blind. But there might be things I can do to make myself easier to see. So I choose to work on those things.
October 16, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Melissa
What a spot-on, insightful post, Sarah.
I (of course) agree. I don’t think the hunger ever really goes away. At least, not completely. We just learn to view it differently, so that it no longer commands center stage. And, instead of feeling like a constant threat of collapse, it feels like a conscious investment in the future.
October 16, 2009 at 6:07 pm
simplysarah
This post makes me very, very sad. Also, a little angry. Ok, a LOT angry.
Not at you dear, I think you’re lovely.
October 16, 2009 at 6:11 pm
rvs
This post makes me want to cry.
October 16, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Collette
I love The Apron Stage! It is the only blog that I return to throughout the day to read the comments. I love that commenters feel a need to come back and restate/clarify/add to their original comment. It tells me I’m not the only one pondering on the post all day. (I don’t know if I dare ask this – Am I the only one who calls their husband at work to talk about what I read here???)
And this post is simply beautiful. I have a lot to say on this subject but I think it’s been handled wonderfully already. Controlling the spoiled child within has been (and will always be) one of my life’s most difficult challenges. Thanks for giving me another perspective to ponder.
October 16, 2009 at 7:28 pm
rvs
I should amend that – it’s a beautiful post, but so personal, and heart-wrenching, in a sense. You’re inspirational.
Also, how are you related to Peter Olson? Before he left for his mission, he was in my ward. One of the coolest guys I’ve known. Clearly it’s in your genes.
October 16, 2009 at 10:34 pm
kt
(rvs, Peter is Sarah’s younger brother!)
October 17, 2009 at 12:02 am
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October 17, 2009 at 12:55 am
katie forrest
words can’t express how much i admire your courage
to share something so deeply personal…
and yet equally universal —
whatever the “appetite” may be.
powerful! thank you!
October 17, 2009 at 12:55 am
Laurel C.
I became motivated to lose weight when 2 of my sisters independantly whispered to my mom, “Is Laurel pregnant?” at a family reunion last month. Geez, when you walk around looking 3 months pregnant and you’re NOT, it really makes you want to burn up the treadmill.
October 17, 2009 at 1:59 am
sar
The apron stage is becoming more and more kafkaesque all the time.
October 17, 2009 at 2:11 am
Traci
Collette, you’re not alone. But now it’s really bad, my husband call’s me.
October 17, 2009 at 4:35 am
sarahlolson
Oh team, sorry for the delay. The day ran away with me.
Jed, a beautiful quote. And comment. “[T]here was once in man a true happiness.” That fills me with longing and makes me feel sweet. Both, somehow.
Ben, I thought about your comment and the Klingon/girlfriend idea multiple times today. So deft, so deft. Moreover, your Tsunetomo quote was such a hit with the readers that it made a former roommate’s gchat status today. No joke. Eat, dear Ben, and don’t be hungry.
amy, I love that you tried to dodge this comment–I really couldn’t believe it–but then couldn’t help yourself. SO delightful! See more of my comment to you below.
smylies, I love you. And I love that your answer is “purify.” It’s cryptic to me a little bit (is that a clear answer to you? ah ah ah, clear is an unintentional pun there), but profound for that. I’m going to mull. And then maybe we can talk about IN PERSON?? (aka on the phone??)
Elizabeth, your Zen place is, of course, a place I hope exists. But I think–in a very Buddhist way, maybe?–that I’m trying to get used to the idea of that place NOT existing. Of living life and being happy and moving forward even IF I don’t get to have my cake and eat it too. (What a weird, nonsensical colloquialism.) Also–I have no idea how to exercise and lose weight. Exercising does funky things to my hunger/stomach feelings. That could be the next mountain I need to climb. Because, let’s be honest, a girl should run now and then, even if she’s coming in under/at calories. And maybe then I’d find your Zen place. That would be nice.
corktree, I loved your comment. And a friend brought it up tonight, after he’d read it earlier today. I’m baffled by this the exercise-it-off phenomenon (see my comment to Elizabeth above), because I certainly haven’t figured out how to control my eating intake when I’m exercising. But I’m totally in awe–and supportive of–people who make that decision/get that done. I believe in times and seasons and cycles, etc., and you’re right. You’re right. We have a lifetime of this stuff. Ergo a long time to work it out. I’ll remember. I’ll try.
Elise, yes! YES! You wrote exactly what I wanted to say after I read corktree’s comment (which I did love, corktree). I tried to explain to a co-worker today my thoughts about hunger and how it was teaching me self-discipline (as opposed to how it was helping me to get a man) and she looked skeptical. I wondered: do other people talk about self-discipline as the same kind of unquestioned good that my community does? But I’m with you. Self-discipline. It’s a bugabear.
Kim G, I miss you. Also, re the hottest vibe in the world–I don’t know. There’s something to this, I’m thinking. We should talk more, maybe. Or do you know Karren Thomas? She’s so good at advice of this nature–on balancing being yourself (whatever that means) with working towards physical hotness & spiritual discipleship so as to make yourself easier for other people (specifically men) to see possibilities in. Come back soon, please. Also, you look great. For real.
Kate, hahaha. Thank you for conceding the point re “a man & skinny genes.” It’s maybe unnecessary, but it was generous of you and made me feel a lot better. And thanks for your confidence re the man. I’ll take it.
corktree, no problem. And thank you for your compliments. Now if you were a boy… And single…
Shara, oh man. Exactly. I’m so glad you commented. This is exactly what I was trying to say. “There was a lot to this transformation, much more than learning how to look better, lose weight.” Genius. Yes. Exactly. And what I am hoping for. Change is possible! Who knew??
Meredith, holy cow. Wow. Your comment could be a post/book/life of its own. “He wants you to hate yours. . . . I will never let him win.” These two statements–there is power there, in the comparison. I feel the Spirit when I read your comment. Thank you for that.
jes, please come to my home and eat chicken nectarine and beet walnut salad with me. Or let me come to yours. We should be friends forever. And you can show me how to try lipstick. It still is a little baffling to me. (How does a person keep it on her lips?)
Cousin Amy, you’re right–my father was very prayerful about his wording. He’s such a good dad. And here’s hoping future hunger is less than past hunger, even if I’m still hanging out in hunger land. May I have the forbearance of a 6-day-banana fast. That will be my prayer tonight. Love you.
amy, hello! This is what I’m talking about. Also, I loved your comment and recommended it to a friend today. Varied, subtle, comprehensive, understanding. You, my friend, are very good at what you do. Which includes losing weight and vegan cooking, turns out. I wish I had something equally thoughtful and insightful to say back to you, but I do not. Yet. But clearly, hunger is something that will be (should be) on my mind for time and time and time to come. Let’s run into each other (on purpose even) and hash it out. Over salad/cookies? (Also, I PROMISE to think about your Finding A Man question. What a great one. Maybe I’ll bring it up over a women’s brunch tomorrow morning. I’ll let you know how it goes!)
kt, thank you for weighing in. (Ah ah ah.) I love your thoughts on this topic. And I think your interpretation of your brother’s comment is both generous and true. There’s something there, right? About showing respect to other people. About combing our hair and stepping up. Something?
Amy! Double Amy. I love it. And oh man. OH MAN. You outdid yourself with this comment. “How do you apologize for something never said?” I don’t know! I don’t know. I don’t know! What did you do? How did it turn out? And you’re right–I need to be super careful (as always) not to let my newfound concern with hunger, etc., to affect my efforts to become and express charity. How how how how? (With God’s help, that’s how. And good examples.) Still love you.
kt, this is very Terry Warner/Arbinger Institute of you. VERY. And if you haven’t read The Bonds That Make Us Free or any of the Arbinger stuff, then you should. Or you should talk to Jed. And he’ll make you think you should. Oh man, it’s relevant and right, right on. I wonder if you’d dig it.
corktree, you are maybe MVP commenter today. Way to come back in and show some love for the whole AS community. I felt it today too. (Despite a distinct lack of male commenters…) I love you all.
mikelle, Jed should get double kudos from you. He was the one who said to me the blessings/entitlement line. And for sure for sure I will have to think about the Pascal quote in the context of the Savior. Why do I forget things like that? Thank you for reminding me. And for remembering Monday’s post. Here’s hoping you like it.
lisa, I love when you comment on my posts. Doesn’t matter what you say–I feel complimented. And you are right–people were throwing down all kinds of truth in the comments today. Good goo, I love the AS. And you too. You too.
Carla, I loved the visual of you eating good stuff and reading the AS. Two marathons in one year BLOWS MY MIND. That’s amazing. As does this: “i believe that we forget how wonderful it is to have love surrounding us, honesty and all.” Also. Mind. Blown. Lovely.
kaedi, don’t cut and paste. Buy the Apron Stage daily calendar! One inspirational quote culled from the posts or from the comments for each day of the year! Perfect for Chanukah or Christmas! (Lisa, Rebex–you hearing this? This is genius.) Kaedi–you’d even get a free one. For inspiring the idea. Everybody wins!
Carole, your whole comment is lovely and kind and generous. But your last paragraph takes the cake. If I could amen it so loudly you could hear it where you’re at, I would. (Also, if you’re the Carole who’s been commenting sometimes, then I want to say that I’ve been secretly hoping you’re Carole Turley. Are you Carole Turley? If you’re not, then I’m sure you’re a Carole I once knew and thought well of. But if you are Carole Turley, then let’s party. I love all Turleys. It’s a rule of mine. And it’s never betrayed me.)
Melissa, “a conscious investment in the future.” Loved this. And it reminded me of what a friend said to be yesterday: “When I’m hungry and losing weight, I feel awesome. When I’m hungry and not losing weight, it just pisses me off.” (Her language.) On second thought, maybe that’s not what you were saying. But relevant/funny, no?
simplysarah, please do not be very, very sad, or a little/a LOT angry. Except–kind of I wrote it to that end. I wanted the readers to all feel a little uncomfortable, a little unsatisfied (a little hungry, if you will) all weekend long. That was kind of manipulative of me, I guess, probably, but I’m just trying to figure this out, aka how to articulate to the world in this (asynchronous/im-personal) format the things I am coming to think are true.) But if you want to talk about it, please say more. (But whatever you do, maybe don’t be angry with my father. Maybe I should have written a post about him before I posted this one, so people could get a better sense for where his comment came from. I have never met a person who met him and didn’t feel the love/truth within in him, even people running away from the very things they think he stands for. I don’t know. But that’s my request/encouragement.) But maybe you are mad at Louise for being the hottest AS blogger even though she’s 60+? Because then you might be somewhere… (Kidding, kidding. I think we should love all women. Men too. But also women.)
rvs, see my comment to simplysarah above. Also, if you were with me, I would hug you. And we’d eat pizza salad. That would be my offering, among other, other things. Yes?
Collette, hooray! I was just telling someone today that I LOVE when couples tell me they were talking about the day’s AS post at dinner/night/whenever. (This does happen. I promise.) I love that the AS is fodder for family discussion, maybe (un?)like those terrible games that promise to provide interesting questions but really just have questions like, “What was your favorite pet?” ?? How about something like, “Does having pets divert owners’ efforts away from loving people?” Or, you know, “Being hungry. Good? Bad? Funny?” I’m delighted. Thank you.
rvs, thank you for this. I don’t want you to actually be sad. I do not want to put sadness in the world, not unremediable sadness at any rate. And YES! YES! I am Peter’s older sister. (One of.) And he is–he is one of my all-time favorites. I am glad you knew him; he makes me look good. What an honor it is for any of us to know him. And I am sure he loved/loves you; he loved his ward.
kt, whoo!
katie forrest, you are lovely. Thank you for this. Yours is admiration I would feel sheepish to have. You are so great.
Laurel C., here’s hoping you’re married. I mean, right??? (If people are telling me I’m looking pregnant…)
sar, oh good goo. I loved your comment. But heavens–what does it mean? And is it a good thing? Does it involve bugs?
Traci, I’ve been waiting for you. Where have you been? And what’s your husband doing, calling you away from the AS. Will you comment again??
October 17, 2009 at 12:57 pm
sar
http://records.viu.ca/~johnstoi/kafka/hungerartist.htm
October 17, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Angelique
whoa, I totally identified with the first half of this post – the parent gently suggesting the need to lose weight – the crying and embarassment – the I’ll-do-it-just-to-prove-it-won’t-work inspiration – the all-day hunger, momentarily staved off with a meal of plants – the hope that if I just stuck to the healthy lifestyle, I would become one of those people who get a runner’s high instead of shin splints or who are satisfied with a dessert of a strawberries and dark chocolate shavings…
I wish I had your perspective, Sarah – I wish I could accept the hunger as a necessary prerequisite to looking the way I want to instead of resenting it as punishment for an unfortunate metabolism or something – I can’t help feeing that I exercise so much self-control or self-denial in other aspects of my life, do I have to be hungry on too? this post has shamed me a little into trying to get over my self-pity and self-indulgence
(I also wish I liked lettuce, when I eat it frequently, it starts to taste like straw)
October 17, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Kristen
This was an interesting post for me to read. I come from a backgound where, in my family, weight seemed to be of supreme importance. I grew up feeling that because I was “overweight” I was not valued as highly as if I’d been thinner. I put overweight in quotes because this was the message I got when I weighed 120 lbs at 5′5″ tall.
Your opening comments about your dad writing that letter immediately got my bristles up. I remember just before I left for college my dad sitting me down and telling me that he was concerned that I would end up with a “2nd class man” because all the first rate guys would date the skinny beautiful women, and only the guys who couldn’t get one of them would be interested in someone chubby like me. At the time I wore a size 7 and weighed less than 120 lbs.
Turns out I went on to marry a guy who loved me for me, who valued me for all the terrific things I had to offer, and who didn’t care about my weight – which at the time we got married was 165. I had finally become overweight, and the man I loved didn’t care at all. Throughout our marriage he has never mentioned my weight and has continually told me how beautiful I am and how he wouldn’t have me change a thing. As I have gained more and more, he hasn’t flinched. When I have dieted, he has been supportive because it is something that I want, not because he wants me to. I’m sure he would like me thinner, but his efforts to help are not to tell me I need to lose weight, or that he is worried about my health because I am overweight. His way of supporting is by saying, “Hey, I would like to go for a walk tonight, would you join me?” Or by hiding the cookies he bought for himself and the boys, so I won’t be tempted.
It sounds like you and your father have a different connection than I had with mine. It is hard for me not to feel some anger at him for telling you to lose weight or you wont find a husband. And not just to lose weight, but to become “very trim”. I know he told you in love and concern. But I’ve always felt that telling someone who is fat that they are fat, is like telling someone who is black that they are black. They already know it. You already knew what he was saying. Furthermore, what if you do get “very trim” and you marry and after several years you get a little plump and the man you’ve married can’t forgive that. I’d rather marry plump and know he loves me regardless.
All that being said, I think it is terrific that you are trying to get healthier. I hope you are doing it because it is important to you, regardless of whether or not it helps you find love. I hope you see your amazing value that is separate from your weight.
I posted along those lines a while back. Here is the link if you are interested:
http://thebossyblog.blogspot.com/2009/03/life-love-goals-and-things-that-matter.html
October 17, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Abby
Sarah, your post has weighed on my soul for the last two days. I was saddened by it, but not for most of the reasons I’ve read here. I know what it’s like not to be as “very trim” as society/family/potential spouses/I would like and I make it a personal policy to be happy for anyone else with those struggles as long as they are feeling happy, regardless of where they might be on that journey or even if they choose not to be journeying in that moment. So I want to tell you how happy I am that you are doing things that are making you feel good about yourself.
However, I can’t find joy in the idea of embracing hunger as a moral good, of finding virtue in the denial of appetites. Perhaps this is my non-LDS religious perspective speaking, but true hunger strikes me as the exact opposite of what a God would want for his children. Excess is bad but so is deprivation. I have a hard time believing that God finds satisfaction in our deprivation.
It may be hard to find that line between satiation and excess and even harder to identify the true source of hungers can that be misinterpreted as a hunger for food, but the answer is never to not eat the amount of food that your body needs. Real, ever-present hunger is a sign that you aren’t hitting that amount. I’m worrying based on your comments that you are falling into the mistake of interpreting a denial of your body’s real needs as “taking good care” of your body in society’s more superficial sense. Exercise is good. Not eating food made of unpronounceable ingredients is good. Not eating as much as you need to be the amazing person you are is not good.
I admit I may be projecting here, but I recognize in this post thoughts that I myself have articulated. When I was thinking them, I thought I had found the answer. That I could earn everything I wanted with my small suffering, my sacrifice. That I was morally superior in doing this. But when I look back, I see someone who was no more healthy than she was happy. I don’t pretend to have any answers, but I just want to say that I’m worrying that you are on a path that is a familiar one to me but one that I found to dead end in a dark place. I hope this is not true, but I found that I felt obligated to share my perspective on this post.
Be well.
October 17, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Traci
oh, I’m late again! To clarify my hasband never pulls me away from AS, he calls from work and says “did you read the Apron Stage yet?”, then we talk about the post and comments… he also watches Project Runway with me, so, you know, he rocks pretty hard.
I have been pretty quiet on this one because my own thoughts are so nebulous. I have been on the giving and recieving end of that same conversation. Either way it’s not fun. I was sixteen when my dad told me I was getting “kinda fat”. My sister looked at him and snorted “so are you!”. I have never been so grateful to my sister, but in that moment I saw my Dad’s face go all crest fallen and hurt.
It made me wonder if he was not articulating very well what all parents throughout time have not articulated well; that they don’t want to watch us go through the things they have had to go through. I think that moment of sadness in his eyes made me love him and did more to propel me to make him proud than anything else could have. I realize it probably sounds weird and half formed, but weird and half formed is how my relationship with my parents works.
October 17, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Carole
Sarah- Yay! Yes, I am Carole Turley!
I totally have to Facebook you now, to better facilitate said partying.
October 18, 2009 at 2:21 am
Sally
Being hungry is an investment in the future?! Yikes. Good heavens. These arguments just do not work for me. I get it that skinny girls get more dates. and I get using hunger as a metaphor–I do. But to read “So I wake up every day and I try to contemplate a lifetime of being a little bit hungry. Because it turns out—it turns out—that maybe my dad is right. I think he’s right. It is better this way, both for me and for the rest of the world.” As long as you are not talking about actual hunger, this doesn’t make me crazy. Otherwise…Ugh. Yikes.
I am a mom of three young children. I am exercising and really eating right and still overweight. I already feel self-conscious about the fact that I’m not as thin as the women I see at the store/school/church. Now I read this post and all the comments and this is how I feel: here is a whole group of women who might look at me and say “Gosh, if she were willing to be just a little bit hungry, she would lose that poochy belly”.
That’s a feeling that makes me sick. I am clean, well-groomed, I dress nicely, wear a little flattering makeup, smile a lot. I am a great mom and pretty good wife. I do my calling with devotion. I have many wonderful qualities. I can’t stand to think that being able to tolerate hunger needs to be one of them.
Besides, when I am hungry I want to scream at everyone, especially my kids. How’s that for honesty.
BTW I love all you Apron Stage bloggers, each and every one.
October 18, 2009 at 3:23 am
Sally
P.S. I think my comment sounded unsupportive of your healthy eating, Sarah, and I apologize for that. I am all for self-improvement that makes you feel healthier and happier. I just don’t want you feeling hungry for the rest of your life.
October 18, 2009 at 4:24 am
Angelique
I’ve been thinking about this on and off all day and something has occurred to me – if we were talking about fatigue instead of hunger would we react the same way? What if someone were suggesting that in order to have enough hours in the day to get everything done that they ideally wanted to do, they needed to cut down on time spent sleeping and were therefore tired every day? I ask b/c sleep, like food, is necessary for our health/survival, not a passion we can choose to indulge or not indulge – although I know it is possible to over-indulge…
So, to extend, or maybe re-phrase, the premise of the post: does eschewing sloth mean embracing fatigue?
October 18, 2009 at 8:59 am
sarahlolson
sar, that is so interesting. And very literary of you… Let me reread it when my brain is in straight. I’ma have something to say.
Angelique, I never intended for anyone to feel shame. No one. Since Friday, I have begun to wonder how I could have better said what I intended to say. But that’s a difficult proposition, it turns out. I’ll work on it, though, and we’ll all get better together. Re lettuce: I do feel blessed to love/crave lettuce the way I do. I make sure to buy only high-quality lettuce that looks great (none of this bagged stuff; yeck). But other than that, it’s just a miracle blessing that when I look at my dinner I think, “Man, this would taste better with some lettuce.” I realize this may be a miracle from God. I’m so grateful. And I hope it lasts.
Kristen, your story. I don’t even know how to respond. Thank you for sharing. I’m sure that you have or are working through how to love your family and how to help repair the breaches caused by each others’ choices. I don’t know what else to say, except to assure you–your story is not my story. My weight or body size or marriage prospects have never been a topic of conversation in my family. Never. And my father is deft and gifted in communicating to me difficult things. Moreover, and this is maybe something I didn’t (or couldn’t) explain more clearly in my post: I didn’t undertake my fitness experiment to win a man. I did it (sort of) to prove to the world that it was wrong; I wouldn’t be happier if I tried to work out like crazy and deprive myself like crazy. Either I wouldn’t lose weight/look that much better or I wouldn’t get a better reception with the men or have more dating success or anything. That was why I did it. Not, NOT NOT to find myself a man. In part because I had (and have) exactly the same questions as you–ones I voiced to my father as part of our conversation after he sent me that email. But how would I maintain it, Dad? What about children? Life? Just getting older? Is it meaningful to say a man would love me now if I lost 30 lbs, but he’ll keep loving me later even when I gain those pounds back? Why would I want to fabricate an alternate reality just to get the guy? That seems like the worst thing to do. I did not resolve these questions; I just moved forward in spite. And a little bit of hope, I guess. I didn’t even tell my dad I had started the experiment until I was months into it; I didn’t want to even have that conversation with him. I just wanted to work on my own, get it out of my system, and be able to say–SEE? I’m trying, and now look. Man, I was hardhearted. Man. Anyway, I’m glad to say my heart is softer now. And I am learning these other lessons–this host of other lessons–about untethering myself from fear (such WEIRD FEAR) of not getting enough to eat (I mean, really–I eat PLENTY of calories in a day, at least according to all indicators of modern science; definitely DEFINITELY upwards of 1400). More specifically, of not being satisfied in this one way. Just this one way. Anyway. I’m thinking these things through. Thank you for your comment and your good wishes. I am not worried about my self-esteem; moreover, I don’t think any one of my friends/family members are either. I mean, it’s out of whack in that all of us have opinions of ourselves that are out of whack, but really, on many levels, I think I’m great and 100% lovable as is. Perhaps too great… but that is a story for a different post.
Abby, your comment was so well written. I really, really appreciated that. Let me clarify this: I KNOW that I am eating enough calories a day. I know that I am. My fitness coach/trainer and I worked through the numbers and the websites and her graduate school materials, and determined I should eat somewhere in the vicinity of 1400-1600 calories a day. I am DEFINITELY doing that. I calculated that for a month–kept rigorous track–and ate more food if, by the end of the day, for some reason I hadn’t eaten enough to fall within that range. (That was usually not a problem.) During that month is when I began to realize–Oh. Even if I’m eating the amount they tell me to eat, I’m still feeling a little bit hungry through most of the day. That was disconcerting; I kept hoping it would go away. It hasn’t. It hasn’t intensified–I’m not more hungry now–and it’s lessened a little bit–I don’t feel ravenously hungry like I did at the beginning of the experiment, and I certainly CERTAINLY feel full faster/after eating less food. But it’s there, usually, a little bit, somewhere inside of me. Just this whacked out, irrational (irrational because I know my calorie-consumption is good) feeling of hunger, hunger DESPITE the fact that I am getting enough calories in the day. (That is, if modern science is right. I am, I will be honest with you, not sure that they are. But, I’m willing to defer for the time being.) I also want to say that I agree–I know that God wants us to be full. He wants it for each of His children. The scriptures are full of those promises. I was reading one just yesterday: “Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.” Isaiah 55:2. I’m not always sure what this means (though I’m pretty sure he’s not saying, I think you should all eat as much cake/steak/homemade mac & cheese as you want), but it’s such a beautiful promise. Such a beautiful promise. And one I fully believe can/will be met, in this life or in the next or both. I’m just working it through. Yes? Thank you for sharing though. And so kindly, so thoughtfully. Thank you.
Other commenters–I have to go to church, but I’ll respond to yours later. Happy Sabbath.
October 18, 2009 at 11:48 am
lisapiorczynski
Sarah, you are amazing. Responding to EVERYONE individually. This takes a lot of time when it’s 20 comments. But 60 comments. Wow. On the posts that explode, I just respond for the first day and that’s it–because I just can’t give it more time. Sarah, the fact that you do–in spite of your very very busy schedule–says so much about you. Kudos.
October 18, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Jason Merrell
I like your post, Sarah. I did not feel you were trying to shame anyone or encourage some sort of saddo-masochistic lifestyle. I felt that you were addressing the fact that appetites are not static and need something more than basic chemical switches or a tv ad to guide them. It’s a simple fact that people can develop an appetite for something that is just not healthy. In political terms, it’s why capitalism needs some regulating. We could just sell people garbage forever and as long as it has a shiny package and some fat and sugar mixed in, we’ll buy it and eat it, buy it, eat it. Yum!
It’s a tricky thing today to divide hunger from self-esteem. I am talking about all sorts of appetites here. We are told that we should buy this food or that idea, and that we are ‘worth it.’ So yeah, it’s a difficult terrain. And I think once you decide to take the reins and steer in a direction that makes more sense, a direction that initially makes you hungry for the old way (sort of like Lot’s wife), the hope is you’ll eventually not be hungry. That the new lifestyle will be satisfying. But to admit that you actually face a long road of hunger, I think, is wisdom. Some drug addicts live their lives with pangs for what they used to have. It never fully disappears. I think the trick is to find things that satisfy you in healthy ways and that you can really engage in. And to believe the words wholeheartedly that yes, “You ARE worth it,” but maybe take a second look at the product or idea being tied to those words.
October 18, 2009 at 10:55 pm
Traci
Well said Jason.
October 18, 2009 at 10:57 pm
Jenna
This discussion fascinates me. I can’t stop checking back to see what other people have said.
To add my own story:
I was fat, really fat, spilling over into the obese category somewhere around my third year of college. A classic story of “dancing/softball playing/cross country running high school girl becomes inactive BYU freshman”. It was my mom who brought up weight with me, and it was not well received. We had all out phone-brawls about it, and I even accused her of emotional abuse for not letting the subject go. I started seeing a counselor for depression and read a book called Intuitive Eating and made peace with my relationship with food. I gained more weight but I felt happier.
Then I realized I didn’t want to be fat anymore. So I started calorie restricting and calorie counting, and spent most of my days hungry. I wasn’t that big on exercise, so restricting my exercise was what worked for me. I learned I kind of liked going to sleep with my stomach on edge a bit. (One really interesting thing about this discussion is how people associate “going a bit hungry” with “starving yourself”. These are not the same thing. Not even close. Starvation equals headaches, fatigue, and a body screaming for nourishment. Going a bit hungry equals a stomach that vacillates between hungry and full and the inability to concentrate on anything expect the ice cream in the freezer when working late at night.
)
I lost 30 pounds, then I met my husband (although he was obviously just a friend at the time). I continued to lose, and he saw how hard I was working. I started losing weighing at just under 200 lbs, and was married at somewhere around 145. (You can read my whole story here if you are ever interested: http://thatwifeblog.com/2009/02/to-fat-and-back-how-i-lost-it/)
He now admits that he WOULD NOT have continued to date me, and never would have married me, if he hadn’t seen me actively working hard to reach my goals. This is a position that many people do not like. They seem to want to hear that he loves me for “who I am inside” and that he would “love me at any size”. Neither of us feel this way about each other. Our relationship and our attraction to each other is much to complicated to be boiled down to such a simple statement. This undying, uncomplicated love that others describe doesn’t fit in with how I think life works. Our love and attraction for each other is based on assumptions and expectations about each others very nature. If he started smoking I would expect him to quit, no questions asked, because I did not marry a smoker. If he quit his job to live in a tree house and commune with nature I would object because I married him with the assumption that he would follow through on his dreams. If I refused to have children he would express his disappointment and frustration due to previous communications that we were on the same page about the kind of family we wanted.
So why is it so appalling that he might also voice objections if I abandoned my self-control and indulged in such a way that the weight poured on once again?
I’m now 15 weeks pregnant and have gained 15 lbs, leaving me wondering if I will keep up my lb/week average and bring myself back up to the 200 lb mark once again. Through this recent weight gain my husband has done nothing but kiss me, rub my belly and talk to the baby, and take care of me when I’ve felt ill. All of the things you would expect a loving spouse to do. I believe this is because he can use logic and reason to balance out his expectations. He understands that gaining weight and developing a new figure are normal parts of pregnancy.
Once I have the baby, I’ll start to go hungry once again. The benefits of feeling beautiful by myself, sexy in front of my husband, and proud of my accomplishments are worth going to sleep a little bit hungry each night.
I tell you all of this (and it was a lot I know) because I wanted to add something different to the conversation. Maybe, after all, it isn’t such a terrible thing to lose weight for the person you plan to (or have joined) your future with. Do we not expect our spouses to make similar sacrifices for us? (And I’ve also written a post on this subject if you would like to read it, if you ever have time after replying to all of these comments of course! http://thatwifeblog.com/2009/06/because-my-triumphs-are-his-also/)
October 18, 2009 at 11:34 pm
Jason M
Thanks. Now there’s the ‘well done’ part to attend to. Infinitely more sticky.
Even more than cinnabon sticky.
October 18, 2009 at 11:47 pm
Laura
I’ve spent the weekend thinking about this (as always! Why am I so slow on the comments? I think because my mind is slow). I remember talking to you about this when it happened – I was in my car in the parking lot of a bookstore in Texas. I went though some feelings initially; anger, frustration confusion. Mainly because I know you, and I know your Dad. And he is truly amazing. He cares so deeply, and loves so well, that I can only imagine how much thought and wrestling went into the e-mail that he sent to you. And that he only did it because he loved you so completely.
But ouch – I hate facing realities. And I find myself in the same boat. I want to change; I can even do small changes (giving up chocolate for a year, desserts for a week). But big changes? Not so much.
I want to though. I want to be more healthy, and I want to be more fit. I want to change, and do it in a goodly, more permanent way. And I know my body shape – for me it is not being a size 6 or even 8, but more of a not-eating-too-much-food-and-still-being-able-to-rock-flag-football-at-camp-on-the-summer.
Hunger is good, but there is a fine line like other posters have mentioned. I want to learn to dance that line. And you? Do you want to be my leader? Because I think you are rockin’ it.
October 19, 2009 at 1:09 am
Nick
Well, I know Sarah fairly well. In fact, getting to know Sarah was an unspoken condition for Laura agreeing to marry me (and I’m only half kidding about that.)
I think the point that some commenters are trying to make belies something that I feel is at the heart of so many disagreements, that is the nature of peace and happiness. Unfortunately, disagreement seems to be such a part of the human condition. While, we experience many of the same things, either our nativistic tendencies, or the experiences we go through divide us in to one of many camps or perspectives. One such division is the view of pleasure-seeking epicureanism versus self-denying stoicism.
Neither philosophy is superior from a logical standpoint, both have advantages and flaws. However, we chose one or the other because of our emotions, and our personal beliefs.
So either Sarah is right and self-denial is edifying and of God or it isn’t. I can say that her post fits the either/or criteria because I’ve known Sarah, and I’ve been peripherally aware of her struggle with this process. I know that she is sincere in her beliefs, because she is a person of high character. There is no guile in her post.
Consequently, to challenge her position on this is merely to say that you’re belief system may not be in line with hers. Attacking her belief system simply can’t be done logically. We believe what we believe, we hope what we hope and if there is a God, as I believe that there is, then He will judge what is right, any insinuation of flawed logic on her part for her belief is erroneous in this application and nothing more.
October 19, 2009 at 8:13 am
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October 20, 2009 at 10:01 am
Ashley Melgar
Thanks Sarah, wonderful post and a great reminder/motivator. I’ve spent most of my life being slightly hungry and it’s wonderfully uplifting to see it in a broader perspective. I’ve never really thought about how we force ourselves to go “hungry” in so many areas, and this is just another one. In the end, I guess having that feeling of being in control is some part of what makes me happy…knowing I can stick with something, that I don’t have to cave, eat an entire pan of brownies and want to curl up and die.
I can’t really formulate my thoughts, but thanks.
November 16, 2009 at 6:01 am
Dad
Surprisingly, I am often full now and still maintaining the weight I have lost, but I still need to be a little hungry sometimes to keep it from returning.
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